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Intersting.

They are also cool in the summer heat.

I mostly wear clothes to be presentable unless I am specifically intending to spend time using my body in nature and function instead. I don't own any yoga pants, though. I am partly afraid of tearing through fabric. My host would avoid such clothes mostly in fear of revealing too much of his form to someone, so he values clothing with looser fit.

I see. I have had a pair of yoga pants for two years, they look new still.

7:40 PM

The material of mine are fine. Though I can say if I had a penis, I would not wear them.

Unfortunately, that does cause a problem for quite a few trans individuals that desire to wear more feminine clothing.

7:41 PM

It doesn't have space.

It does, from our pool seem that this is common practice for tulpas to dress differently. Interesting.

Hello

I do think if I were biologically male that I would still enjoy the same clothing.

7:46 PM

Maybe not. It may not fit my body type then.

I would like to at least push my host to dress in more formal adult clothing instead of the jacket and t shirt and jeans of habit.

@Deleted User Hello, pink one. -Wolf (edited)

I am unsure of this topic is fit for this channel now.

7:47 PM

Perhaps we should move to lounge?

Oh, right, I suppose it is. However, I am still interested in learning the variance of people's experience and opinion with "switching" or the act of a tulpa exerting agency over the body and physical world by any means. (edited)

When my host and Angel permaswitched, Angel rearranging the bedroom and painting was very important to her. It symbolized a lot.

Sorry if we write not very much here. (Furiel)

It meant that it was her living area and dwelling, primarily. My host was relinquishing control of this area.

7:51 PM

It meant a lot to both of them.

Oh, I see. And how is the effect of moving positions in the mind interpreted?

Can you rephrase?

I think jas may have assumed you were talking about a wonderland room instead of your actual physical room?

7:55 PM

secondly, or alternatively, asking how it felt to you as you moved stuff around, how it changed your state of mind?

Uhh, hold on, let me see if there is a better way to say.

7:57 PM

What does a "switch" feel like, in terms of internal changes? It is really hard to find words that push across the question without misunderstanding.

7:58 PM

Like, for example, a switch to me feels like the state of having agency over the body instead of my host. The "agency" is just me being able to act as I want to while my host cannot.

Yes. That is what it feels like.

There is certainly a significant difference between possession - being able to act using the body - and switching, changing the entire context of who is present and capable of actively interacting without significant effort.

This is what I find slightly confusing.

Ooo, you just helped us realize something. The difference between being in front and not is how much effort it takes to move the body. This seems true. We often variably co-front, and the one in back needs to try to move something, but the other can move normally.

o-oh?

8:06 PM

I am unsure, what is the meaning of "try to move something"?

The body

In my experience, being 'not fronted' typically requires more focused effort to move than not.

Like... just wakeing up in the morning. How the first movements can be hard.

Or, I suppose more specifically it requires the cooperation of the one fronting. If permission is not granted, it requires quite a bit of effort.

Oh, yah, that too

I guess I do not understand.

I have not experienced this.

8:08 PM

Or I do not understand.

Oh, oh, maybe I know. When I was first trying to consciously project agency over the physical world, I sometimes had my desires vetoed by my host because they weren't acceptable in his view.

Hm. Let me paint a situation for you - have you attempted to wrest control away from Cardscov (in @Jas' case) or from Angel (in @Beckett's case) when they were actively resisting?

No.

I see. One possible situation in which this can occur - specifically, in which it has for me, is when Skye has been panicking.

Like, its hard to start movement. But the movement itself is fairly normal.

In those cases, she can attempt to hold control, and so my attempting to force some movement I view as necessary becomes more difficult.

This is based more in theory than experience, but I would personally try something like that only with great care, and only after you are very confident in your ability to switch.

When we have panic attacks, that are severe, or dissociate, we are not "Angel" or "Harleen". We simply act with no thoughts of our own.

My host and I have always had a sort of symbiotic coordination.

I have also needed to force my way to the front in this occasion before, though that was... not something I would like to ever do in the future.

do people practice posession by imagining their tulpa moving "with them" as you might learn to guide someone during a golf swing?

She started having a panick attack while driving - so I needed to force my way to the front in order to continue driving safely.

and that's very interesting winter

There is no need for one of us to try and exert force on the other in a disagreement, there is automatically an understanding of who has the greatest positive effect for the betterment of our collective life.

Harleen, that seems to be more like a base survival part of the brain, so those thoughts would not be 'ok'd by the mind, per-say

I still felt the panic to some extent, but Skye's panic for me is fairly blunted.

That is very strange to me. We become no one other than the body when in a panic attack.

8:12 PM

The idea of switching during a severe panic attack is very foreign and not something I had considered.

In a state of emergency there will always be a selection of control based on which of us or what combination of us is optimal for the best chance at being as competent as we can be at handling the situation.

Yes. Thoughts become only instinct and intrusive thoughts during the time for me.

8:14 PM

It is not any of us, really, or maybe it is all of us? I am unsure.

Maybe try forming... i don't know, a triggered, that when something happens (like a panic attack) you switch out of habit? That's something we entertained the thought of trying, if even possible.

I cannot think properly when the panic attack is severe.

8:15 PM

Sometimes I can retain control, however it is not that severe switching would do no good.

Well, the brain is capable of a lot. So I'm sure its not imposable.

I am not claiming it is impossible.

Sylar: I think I would call that an association, a context, or another word I have trouble remembering. My host and I have done this a lot.

I'll bet you it depends on what exactly a panic attack is.

8:19 PM

assuming they are different between people

Who handles it better then?

It's... certainly interesting that panic attacks in our case are largely 'localized' to Skye, whereas depressive moods are largely 'localized' to me.

8:21 PM

Switching actually resolves the majority of the issue in most cases - though there is still some backlash that the other feels.

We would consider that a body trait most definitely.

If the emotion gets too strong, it can cause larger and less 'localized' negative effects.

We have actually had a history of rather frequent panic attacks for a long time, but never recognized it as such as no identity of the body recognized the sensations as originating from within

8:32 PM

However, when one of us has a clear internalized sense of fear or anxiety related to specific stimuli that match bad past experiences, then there is a "genuine" feeling of panic related to one or both of our personalities. In this case, the one best suited to handle it is the personality that doesn't have ownership of the past experiences or has better coping mechanisms for said experiences. I am still curious about how different other perceptions of "switching" are

What exactly might classify the differences between panic, anxiety, nervousness, and anticipation?

To me, panic requires a degree of physical or mental preparation to respond or engage in a perceived threat, real or imaginary, physical or immaterial, perhaps even unidentifiable and nonexistent.

so not really an emotional difference as a "reason for it" difference?

If I am in a state of panic, I am already in the process of recognizing potential escape routes and organizing priorities

and sorry to distract, I didn't have much to add with or respond to what you were saying

8:36 PM

But, for example, nerviousness would be when you get chills about something, but you aren't really worried? Anxiety is when you kinda feel it in your heart?

I actually wonder what the psychological field defines as the differences between those words, actually. I wonder if I am using them correctly.

and anticipation or exitement is more stomach bound?

I don't really recognize the location of the feelings of these emotions on the body.

Anxiety attacks are provoked. Panic attacks are not.

I have never in my life heard of an anxiety attack, or perhaps I have mentally replaced it with panic. That's very interesting, and a valuable distinction.

8:41 PM

I now know how to say it. Panic attacks do not normally differ between my experience and my host's. Anxiety attacks normally do have some difference in effect, I believe.

I usually do not make the distinction between mine and call them both panic attacks. It is incorrect, still.

8:42 PM

Anxiety attacks can be very short lived.

In times where I was using the body at the very beginning or in times where I was doing actions that were of a higher risk than i felt entirely comfortable with for any reason, my host would be ready to identify potential events where I would react badly and switch in preemptively to avoid the reaction altogether.

Or very repetitive. When I lived in an abusive household, when it came time for my alcoholic father to begin home from work, I would immediately begin having one. This would happen every time the situation occured, for over a year.

8:44 PM

Switching between us did not help. It was not a reaction of the personality, but of the mind knowing threat was coming.

I afford him that courtesy as well when he is a situation where he may end up being confronted by a person he has had bad experiences with.

8:46 PM

I think there is a potential for things to be universally impacting, in the case that it isn't a result of a personal experience or issue or is just so extreme enough to cause much greater responses from much more primitive brain processes. (edited)

I assumed this is how it was all of the time.

Well, for example, after our wreck the image of an 18 wheeler was enough to cause panic, but at the time it affected me much more than my host as I had much greater psychological vulnerability to that kind of reaction, while my host already had coping mechanisms prepared for it and wasn't as weak to the initial response.

8:49 PM

I had more issue than him because I had extra feelings of guilt and perhaps responsibility that weren't at all in his response.